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December 10, 2004 - 08:46 AM
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go Flux yourself
> And why
only 900 feet? Cummon...dream big!!! ;) <
It's the
same height as Jesus. And I figure if Jesus bumps into that
thing, we'll all know he's there (because of the banshee
shrieking and all.) Which will give us time to run.
You would not believe the fucking headache I have
right now. I think Jesus might be touching my brain.
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December 10, 2004 - 12:50 AM
go
Flux yourself
>Is that the
thing that makes you go back in time and beat the crap out of
the >fucker who keeps picking on Crispin Glover?
They have an upgrade attachment for that. Looks a lot
like an air line water trap, but costs twice as much.
>The thing I'm thinking of is like a 900-foot-tall,
two-foot-wide
>tower made out of
>paper-thin
pieces of metal and mounted on a structurally unsound
foundation. >That should work, right? Also it shrieks like
a banshee when you touch it.
Well now, as much as we
all may like the idea, you know you are going to have to
submit it either to BORG1 or BORG2, for bureaucratic approval
or democratic selection, repectively.
And why only 900
feet? Cummon...dream big!!! ;) |
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December 09, 2004 - 06:37 PM
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BORG2 = EMAIL SPAM!!!
Robots
stole my lunch
I hope they like bologna;
those fucking
assholes
the song goes like this:
Inna-gadda-da-vida,
the best song ever
haikus
are real dumb
probably I should jack off
to Love Boat
reruns |
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December 09, 2004 - 06:28 PM
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BORG2 = EMAIL SPAM!!!
I thought
that by making him my friend he would have some good will or
something. I don't know what this guy wants. Does anyone know
this guy?
I fill dogs with cheese
barking, biting
and scratching
abstact hiku again
all the
children cough
noses run out of control
it is flu
season
hiku oh hiku
I split all the words in two
speak like indian
he we go again
your asking
where I have been
with suspicious minds
Jim Mason
is fat
he eats like a fucking pig
liver and onions
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December 09, 2004 - 04:55 PM
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BORG2 = SPAM Jm = Dickhead Home Depot = Douchebag
> I bought a flux core welder at
Harbor Frieght Tools <
Is that the thing that makes
you go back in time and beat the crap out of the fucker who
keeps picking on Crispin Glover?
> btw - do not
expect to weld together big and/or thick pieces of metal with
that welder I just mentioned. I did okay on some 1/4" mild
steel, but I beveled them and had to make two or three passes.
<
The thing I'm thinking of is like a
900-foot-tall, two-foot-wide tower made out of paper-thin
pieces of metal and mounted on a structurally unsound
foundation. That should work, right? Also it shrieks like a
banshee when you touch it. |
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December 09, 2004 - 04:41 PM
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well, now we might get to have a court case
too. oh boy.
first borg2 art project: people's court.
"but mr. wopner, it was just a little email about a
little art project, really . . ."
j
I am unable to handle personal calls while
in the office. John, call me tonight after 9pm.
I am
not going to take any further actions. You may do what you see
fit, but please be aware ... if you move forward with your
threats, I will persue this in court. I do not want to take
this action, but will if you force me to. I have a written
log, in your words, of your intentions.
- Jm
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Chicken John wrote:
> I
concur with Mr. Mason. If you are interested in putting a stop
to
> this, please let us know if you are going to
withdraw your complaint
> so we may know how much more
useless work we have to do. I have called
> you at home
and left a message. I will call you again later. We would
> like to resolve this by doing all things you have
asked of us and
> then, when you are satisfied, you
withdraw your complaint. That seems
> fair to me, does
it seem fair to you, Jim?
>
>
>
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December 09, 2004 - 04:33 PM
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oh
fuck - I just laughed so hard milk came out my nose...and I'm
not even drinking any milk...omg
thanks man
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December 09, 2004 - 04:26 PM
BORG2
= SPAM Jm = Dickhead Home Depot = Douchebag
I love how tribe discussions carreen around
from spam (or not spam at all in this case) to welding to the
politics of my local home center...anyway...
I bought
a flux core welder at Harbor Frieght Tools, in Vallejo (you
can also mail order) for around $100, and I'll be damned if
the thing doesn't actually work! I bought it to take to
Burning Man to weld pieces of customers' bike back on, and
because it plugs into 120VAC, and because it is light and easy
to carry around (relative to most welders, that is). My real
welder is big and heavy and wants more volts than I have up on
the playa. I don't know HFT's politics, but even if they are
ultra-right, they aren't anywhere near as big as Home Depot :)
btw - do not expect to weld together big and/or thick
pieces of metal with that welder I just mentioned. I did okay
on some 1/4" mild steel, but I beveled them and had to make
two or three passes.
oh yea, and the mask that comes
with it SUX!!! Get a real helmet before you use it. I tried it
out just to see if it was worth anything - after 15 seconds my
eyes were hurting, bad...scary shit...don't fuck with that -
get a decent helmet!!! |
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December 09, 2004 - 04:09 PM
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What a
little shit... and yes, I'm now looking forward to making sure
Mr. Valero gets all the penis enlargement offers that are
available on the Internet - as Mr. Valero is obviously
compensating for having a very tiny dick.
JR
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December 09, 2004 - 02:52 PM
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Mr. valero continues . . .
Here is
the complaint form the mail-spam company and my reply. Mr.
valero continues to refuse to remove his complaint, despite
our correcting every situation he has requested of us.
hopefully this latest round will bring this pathetic
matter to a conclusion. if it does not, i will release his
email address to this tribe and i hope you all will join me in
spamming his email address with porn offers and viagra ads
from machines far and wide until he has to no other choice but
to give up his current email address, which was his spam
concern to begin with.
don't fuck with the BORG2 mr.
valero or the BORG2 will kick your ass.
have i made
myself clear mr. valero?
i have wasted hours on this
already. please, let me return to wasting my hours in the
frivilous pursuits offered here in tribe.
jim
> Thanks for your email. The NML is simply
for mailing lists that do not
> verify the subscriber
address before adding them. Verification is usually
>
done through sending an email prompting the listee to confirm
that they
> actually want the subscription, by replying
to the email or going to a
> webpage. If this list does
not confirm subscribers in some way that
> prevents
forged subscribing, regardless of content, then it is eligible
for
> listing on the NML. Please let us know how this
list confirms membership
> and prevents addresses from
being forge-subscribed.
>
> --
Any new
subscriptions to the BEP list requires confirmation in
response to an email. You may do a test subscription to the
list to confirm this. saucer.spaceship.com/mailman...tinfo/bep
I just subscribed myself using a different email
address and here is the confirm response I got back. Note we
are using mailman to run this list
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Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for
mailing list BEP
We have received a request from
dsl081-054-023.dsl-isp.net for subscription of your email
address, "xxxxxxxxxx", to the bep@saucer.spaceship.com mailing
list. To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing
list, simply reply to this message, keeping the
Subject:
header intact. Or visit this web page:
saucer.spaceship.com/mailman...firm/bep/76e94c0d89c770d4fd8963d4f8266c7534
Or include the following line -- and only the
following line -- in a message to
bep-request@saucer.spaceship.com:
confirm
76e5b8eb894c0d89c770d4fd8966c7534
Note that simply
sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail
readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list,
please simply disregard this message. If you think you are
being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other
questions, send them to bep-owner@saucer.spaceship.com.
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The first population of the BEP list with the
names of petition signers was done administratively and did
not have this email confirmation step, as this list was
intended to be the list to communicate with the petition
signers as an announce only list, not a discussion list. The
petition signers offered their email addresses when signing
the petition and therefore reasonably could expect
communication in relation to this petition to return to their
email address.
As explained previously, the list was
only to be used for this purpose. But in fact, it hasn't even
yet been used for that. The only message sent to the list was
from a new subscriber and it mistakenly went through due to a
configuration error on my part that let posts go through to
the list without admin approval. That has now been corrected.
But this is how mr. Valero got the message in the first place.
Your are also welcome to test this by sending a message to the
list after you subscribe to it. you will see that it bounces
back to you.
I hope this is adequate to bring this
rather pathetic complaint to an end. I am disgusted this
individual has tried to take down a fun project about art, run
by amatures doing the best they can, with such petty and
misguided complaints- especially after we have offered to fix
every issue he has had. Can't he spend his efforts to confront
actual spammers offering Viagra, penis enlargement, Nigerian
scams, et al, and not a discussion about art by a relatively
small group of friends that are interested in this topic?
Nonetheless, hours have now been wasted on this non-issue by
me, my friend's server co-op in Austin (spaceship) is now
concerned with how this potential report will propagate, and
now you are having to deal with it.
My question now is
how I can file a complaint about frivolous complaints and
nominate mr. valera's email address as a nuisance email
address, producing "content" less impressive than spam, and
content that should be treated as such by spam filters.
Please include information in your reply about how I
can file such a complaint in regards to mr. valero's actions.
Thank you.
Jim Mason
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December 09, 2004 - 12:29 PM
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CONFIRMED - BORG2 = SPAM
i want
to build my whole gypsy desert shak out of
duct tape and
zip ties. and maybe bottle tops and
those old school beer
pull tops.
and the fake grass that comes with togo sushi
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December 09, 2004 - 12:25 PM
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I can
absolutely comfirm this. Good construction = bad destruction.
Witness last year's temple burn. We were putting sheer
plates up the way you do for new home construction. Nails 6"
on center on the edges, 12" center in the field. And the
amount of Simpson hardware, yikes! As we were building it, we
were thinking, fuck this thing is never going to fall down.
What happened to duct tape and zip ties as a viable
structural material in Black Rock City?
Rico
Terrible Welder |
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December 09, 2004 - 01:42 AM
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BORG2 = EMAIL SPAM!!!
chicken
would u talk to ur friend.
(hold i'm in chickens
personal network too. does this mean i'm not special?)_
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December 09, 2004 - 01:29 AM
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he
left his address
then cried like a little girl
in Palo
Alto
blinky lights and spam
christmas and
composite meat
I puked at the rave |
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December 08, 2004 - 07:53 PM
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1)
Mr Valero skin is too thin for the internet.
well, he
*does* live in palo alto. i did also for many years and can
attest from first hand experience that the place can make one
soft, squishy and decidedly thin in the skin area.
j
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December 08, 2004 - 07:47 PM
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I
think two things.
1) Mr Valero skin is too thin for
the internet.
2) More humilation is required. I
suggest we contact all of his tribe net friends and explain
what we think of Mr Valero's behavior in this incident.
JR |
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December 08, 2004 - 07:10 PM
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CONFIRMED - BORG2 = SPAM
Folks, Mr. Valero has us by the cajones.
He is threatening to take us down with a formal
complaint to www.mail-abuse.com/index.html
regarding our email activities on a list that has yet to be
used for anything other than a missent message today due to my
bad config of the list. This is funny. Let's destroy the art
cause you got an unwanted email. You go Mr. Valero.
Impressive. Anyone know this guy so we can go tickle him
without mercy until he relents?
The complaint
investigation department of the above wrote me the note i've
copied below. and then i wrote back as you can see below.
The more i think about this, the more i am convinced
that that devious and wily BORG1 must be behind this somehow.
yes, take away our online tools of communication and we may
well evaporate. a real pro move by the BORG1. i'm impressed.
good work larry, et al. . . . ;-)
jim
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Tyler Jordan
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
5:59 PM
> To: jimmason@longnow.org
> Subject:
RE: BEP: BEP list for announcements. discussion at borg2.tribe.net/ (fwd)
>
>
> Your list (BEP mailing list) has
been nominated to the NML. In order to
> avoid a
listing, we need to know what your opt-in procedure for this
list
> is, to prevent forged sign-ups to this list.
Additionally, this seems to
> have been originally
generated by a petition. Did people signing the
>
petition know they were signing up for a mailing list?
>
>
Tyler,
Thank you for your
inquiry. Below you will find the notes I sent to Mr. Valera
when he made his complaint known as well as his note back to
me. In my note, I clarified the origin of the list and asked
for help in resolving any potential problems that we were
having with incorrect subscriptions to our list. I also gave
him my direct phone number to discuss the matter if he wanted
to pursue it any further. I received no further communication
from him and thought we had resolved the issue, but now I find
this note from you.
I believe we have shown good faith
to resolve this odd complaint, a complaint that is happening
over a list concerned with art around the Burning Man event.
There is no commercial product or service related to this list
in any manner. This is simply a list about an art debate out
here in San Francisco. I probably personally know about half
of the people on the list.
I trust my below
explanations below will put this non-issue to rest. If you
have any further questions, you can find me at the email and
phone numbers below.
I have also cc'ed Mr. Valera as
well as the other owner of the list, Chicken John.
Thank you,
Jim
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December 08, 2004 - 07:06 PM
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spam
haikus for you
And who dares mock Spam?
you? you?
you are not worthy
of one rich pink fleck
Like
some spongy rock
A granite, my piece of Spam
In
sunlight on my plate
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December 08, 2004 - 06:20 PM
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Dear
Jim,
If I purchase a lincoln sp 100 MIG set-up is it
OK to practice laying a few beads on the Mercedes 550 SL that
always parks half way across my driveway?
I *think* I
know the answer but await confirmation nonetheless.
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December 08, 2004 - 05:05 PM
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> I
wonder how many other little things I'm missing?
I
don't know, have you counted your marbles lately? Just asking.
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December 08, 2004 - 05:00 PM
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Ask
him about his UV death ray that he turned on zee ravers at
bunringman.
PS: Don't piss this guy off you need him.
"All Saturday night the DJ's played their dance music
working the ravers into a dancing frenzy. Others were slowly
worked up to a state of ultraviolence which was taken out on
unsuspecting art throughout the city."
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December 08, 2004 - 04:53 PM
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Ya
know for almost 20 years I thought it was 'arch' welding. I
don't know, I thought that the little electric bolt thing was
shaped like an 'arch'. About 2 years ago I looked at a welder
and clearly read "arc welder". I immediatly thoguth of Noah.
Then it hit me like a frieght train. My face turned red. Arc
welding. I've welded alot of stuff. I just missed that little
thing. I wonder how many other little things I'm missing?
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December 08, 2004 - 04:51 PM
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I
didn't sign the petition because I wanted version 2, so can I
get signed up for the kool-aid flavored spam now?
Arthurz@sbcglobal.net, and if anyone else besides Jim
& Chicken spams me for this, I'll see you at the
flamethrower duel in the borg2 zone. |
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December 08, 2004 - 04:22 PM
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I'll
teach you how to weld Frank...of course, I don't live in the
Great SF Valley area.
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December 08, 2004 - 04:22 PM
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i'd teach you oh frank, but i can barely
weld myself. i'm a pathetic welder, despite years of doing it.
if home depot wasn't owned by such republican
douchbags, i'd suggest you go there and buy a cheap lincoln sp
100 MIG, plug it in, and pull the trigger.
welding
with a MIG is about as difficult as using a glue gun.
j
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December 08, 2004 - 04:20 PM
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It's
obvious here that Jim is right and Jim is wrong. Quit being
such a dick!
You owe Jim a big apology. Now let's move
on.
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December 08, 2004 - 04:16 PM
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I need
someone to teach me how to weld. Will someone teach me how to
weld? I promise to build something dangerous and impractical.
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December 08, 2004 - 04:11 PM
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also notice membership in the psytrance and
goa tribes.
watch out everyone, we have a live one
here . . .
that's all i'm going to say.
j
ps- still JM, if you agree to let someone teach
you how to weld, you are more than welcome here in BORG2 (but
sorry, that blasted "music" is going to have to go . . . )
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December 08, 2004 - 04:02 PM
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Jm,
according to your profile, one of your hobbies is "blinky
lights". That's all I'm going to say. |
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December 08, 2004 - 03:36 PM
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I
propose a petition!!! We can all see that the web is no longer
focused on what it use to be, clearly it has grown in
directions that we didn't start it for. It use to be about
sharing data between militry and educational sites. Now, well
now we have ravers, I mean spammers.
I propose we have
people vote on who should get mail and who shouldn't. The
Borg2 alone should not decide, they should open up the process
of deciding who should get spammed and who shouldn't. And,
there should not be any themes behind spam anymore. I'm tired
of having spammers suggest that my tool is too short, I can't
last as long, or I am eligible for loans for people with bad
credit. What happened to spam for spam sakes. Crazy, dangerous
flames like in the old days!!!!
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December 08, 2004 - 03:31 PM
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Here are the notes i sent to Mr. Valera.
Jm Valera,
I apologize if you and others were
subscribed to this list without your consent. This list was
formed from the signers of the "we have a dream petition". As
that petition became the borg2, we put all the email addresses
from the petition signers onto this list so we could
communicate with the signers.
This is the first
complaint we have received about faux signups. I would be
curious to get the list of other incorrect signups so I can
correct it.
I will of course remove you and anyone
else who has been wrongly subscribed somehow. Maybe someone
wrongly entered your email address on the petition. Mistakes
of course are made. People can be devious. But there is no
wholesale harvesting of email addresses happening here. No
forwarding of your email address is happening. The list is
only the people who signed the petition plus new people that
are signing up for the borg2. there are about 30 new people a
day. The original email list from the petition was about 600,
despite over 1000 names. Many didn't put email addresses, of
course.
Sorry again for any inconvenience this may
have cuased you.
Jim
mr. valera responded:
> From: Jm Valera [
> Sent: Wednesday,
December 08, 2004 3:00 PM
> To: Jim Mason
> Cc:
'Matt Cline'; jim@longnow.org; admin@spaceship.com; 'Chicken
John'
> Subject: RE: BEP: BEP list for announcements.
discussion at
> borg2.tribe.net/
>
> signing up to the petition was something i wanted to
do because i
> support your cause.
>
> i
did not sign up to your mailing list.
>
> i
quote a message from you below:
>
> "we put all
the email addresses from the petition signers onto this list
> so we could communicate with the signers."
>
> that makes you a spamer. please stop.
>
> please read:
>
> www.mail-abuse.com/nominats_nml.html
>
> - jm
to which i responded:
Creating a list to communicate with the signers of a
petition, where people have contributed their email addresses
for the purpose of the petition is not spamming. The addresses
are being used for no other purpose than the purpose of the
petition. A mistake in the config caused you to get a note
from an individual on the list. This was not set up as a
discussion list, rather an announce list for the petition
signers, people who provided their email addresses and
therefore could expect email communication in relation to the
petition. And that is now what is happening.
Again, if
this explanation is unsatisfactory, my phone number is
510.812.3656.
J
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December 08, 2004 - 03:22 PM
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OK,
you have a problem with being put on the list. What would you
like us to do now? We apologized, and thought you would like
to be on this list. You can unsubscrivbe or I can unsubscribe
you manually if you don't want to point and click. YOu can
call me at home, 415-695-2884 right now and tell me what you
want us to do. Your implying that we are spammers is implying
that we are selling your email address. This is clearly not
the case. I for one do not want to see you recieve any mail
that you are not interested in. Certainly we can just resolve
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December 08, 2004 - 03:19 PM
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Stoping being such a cry baby nancy boy, Jm. So
you got a couple of extra emails in your inbox. Boo Hoo, I bet
all the extra email caused your PC to crash and your
girlfriend to drop your sorry loser ass for some uber Nerd
Geek that has 100% effective spam filters.
Jim's taken
care of your problem and apologized...so why don't you go
scream at some Nigerian scam artists now and I hear Bit
Torrent is just filled with illegally copied mp3s. But stop
wasting space on tribe net cause you're far more annoying than
spam about penis enlargers.
JR |
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December 08, 2004 - 03:01 PM
CONFIRMED
- BORG2 = SPAM
I have just
confirmed that BORG2 is a spam generator. They added over 600
people to their spam list without permission.
Email
from Jim Mason below:
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Subject: RE:
BEP: BEP list for announcements. discussion at borg2.tribe.net/
Jm Valera,
I apologize if you and
others were subscribed to this list without your consent. This
list was formed from the signers of the "we have a dream
petition". As that petition
became the borg2, we put all
the email addresses from the petition signers onto this list
so we could communicate with the signers.
This is
the first complaint we have received about faux signups. I
would be curious to
get the list of other incorrect
signups so I can correct it.
I will of course remove
you and anyone else who has been wrongly subscribed somehow.
Maybe someone wrongly entered your email address on the
petition. Mistakes of course are
made. People can be
devious. But there is no wholesale harvesting of email
addresses
happening here. No forwarding of your email
address is happening. The list is only the
people who
signed the petition plus new people that are signing up for
the borg2. there
are about 30 new people a day. The
original email list from the petition was about 600,
despite over 1000 names. Many didn't put email addresses,
of course.
Sorry again for any inconvenience this may
have cuased you.
Jim
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December 08, 2004 - 02:46 PM
BORG2
= EMAIL SPAM!!!
Without my
permission, I have been added to this project's spam list.
There was no opt-in check box when I signed the petition and
this is a massive breach of trust. I have had reports of this
from other friends, so I know that I'm not alone in this.
I would like everyone here to know that this petition
is generating SPAM from "bep@spaceship.com" and this is not
something I signed up to.
I will promptly request the
RBL add spaceship.com to their database and would like to
request that the operators of the site reverse their actions.
If this does not happen, I will contact media outlets
and make it clear that this is a spam generating process.
I could just unsubscriibe myself, but it does not
change the fact that operators of this petition is causing
many others to receive spam.
I've lost too many email
address to spam and this is 100% unacceptable behavior.
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